Borrowed words, but I mean every one of them.

[lunadelcorvo]

(kickthehobbit posted this, and doctoreon re-posted it, and now it's my turn.)

If you're not pro-choice, and you are vocal and proud about not being pro-choice (including such lines as, "I don't understand how anyone could be pro-choice"), or if you allow discussion to happen in your journal that contains such gems as accusing George Tiller of being a "baby killer" that performed late-term abortions for fun, or allowing awful, awful trolling comments regarding what sluts and whores any woman that would ever have an abortion is?

I AM GOING TO DEFRIEND YOU.

If you want to foster discussion in your journal, fine.

If you are pro-life, and proud of it, but are respectful of those of us that are pro-choice, that's also fine. I won't defriend over either of those.

But if you're going to let people make ignorant-ass comments in your journal about how all abortions are totally wrong and 'oh my God how dare anyone ever get one', and also that George Tiller (who helped people like this and this) was a murderer, not bothering to step in when they start to attack one another or otherwise don't "foster" discussion so much as blindly attack anyone that comments back to them, citing irrelevant court cases in an attempt to prove that late-term abortion happens for reasons other than the mother's life/health being at risk/the fetus having deformities that are incompatible with life . . . that's not OK.

If you're going to let your journal turn into a pro-life circle jerk, then I'm out of here. Because seriously? Don't you fucking even try to play the, "But I am all for women's rights!" card when you're trying to restrict access to abortion.

I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but the only moral abortion is not your abortion. ALL ABORTION IS MORAL.

Brought to you by kickthehobbit.

If you're not pro-choice, and you are vocal and proud about not being pro-choice (including such lines as, "I don't understand how anyone could be pro-choice"), or if you allow discussion to happen in your journal that contains such gems as accusing George Tiller of being a "baby killer" that performed late-term abortions for fun, or allowing awful, <i>awful</i> trolling comments regarding what sluts and whores any woman that would ever have an abortion is? I AM GOING TO DEFRIEND YOU. If you want to foster discussion in your journal, fine. If you are pro-life, and proud of it, but are respectful of those of us that are pro-choice, that's also fine. I won't defriend over either of those. But if you're going to let people make ignorant-ass comments in your journal about how all abortions are totally wrong and 'oh my God how dare anyone ever get one', and also that George Tiller (who helped people like <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/82070/Pro-Life-does-not-mean-what-you-think-it-does#2585686">this</a> and <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002">this</a>) was a murderer, not bothering to step in when they start to attack one another or otherwise don't "foster" discussion so much as blindly attack anyone that comments back to them, citing irrelevant court cases in an attempt to prove that late-term abortion happens for reasons other than the mother's life/health being at risk/the fetus having deformities that are incompatible with life . . . that's not OK. If you're going to let your journal turn into a pro-life circle jerk, then I'm out of here. Because seriously? Don't you fucking even try to play the, "But I am all for women's rights!" card when you're trying to restrict access to abortion. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but the <a href="http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html">only moral abortion is not your abortion</a>. ALL ABORTION IS MORAL. <a href="http://kickthehobbit.livejournal.com/292929.html">Brought to you by</a> <lj site="livejournal.com" user="kickthehobbit">.

Comments

[doctoreon.livejournal.com]

:-D

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the same!

[virginia-fell.livejournal.com]

Thanks for this post.

Also, that Metafilter link you gave was pretty much the saddest thing anybody has posted about this tragedy so far.

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

You are quite welcome. Yeah, that had me pretty much in tears....

[hope-guides-me.livejournal.com]

Okay, sweetie. You know our opinions differ in MANY areas.

For a second there, I thought that was going to be a problem. Your entry caught me off guard, at first, but I kept reading. ;)

My views on abortion are so on the fence, and I'm not even going to get into them.

However, once more, I want to show you some love.

Our difference in opinions have never been a problem, and I don't think they will ever be a problem. LARGELY because we both behave like logical adults... but also because you are amazingly caring.

I do want to tell you, though, that I was/am strongly against late term abortions... specifically partial birth abortions. Admittedly, though, I'd never imagined parents finding out about such abnormalities so late in the pregnancy.

I had never heard of Dr. Tiller until this moment, but judging from those two things you linked, I wouldn't call him a murder. No way. For joy? Are you insane? What man would enjoy the pain and suffering these parents were going through? He was a true doctor. He cared about his patients. I'm annoyed that someone ... someone giving Christians a bad name ... took his life.

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

Sorry I spopked you - you are by no means in any danger of going anywhere. As I have said to you before, if more people 'disagreed' like you and I do, with respect, compassion, and mutual caring, the world would be a far better place. Honestly, I don't really have anyone on my wonderful f-list that I would feel this would apply to. (Which is why I love you [singular and plural] so very much!)

My posting it is more about taking a stance, a public, unambiguous stance on the rhetoric that leads to violence. For too many people, as I am sure you know, disagreement means one party must be wrong, and if so, they are then somehow other, inferior, no longer deserving of the same rights and courtesies as those who agree. And while I defend free speech to the utmost degree, there is a point where that kind of speech, speech which makes the 'opposing side' seem somehow less of a citizen, less American, even less human, does lead to violence. Such speech permits it, excuses it, and even encourages it, no matter how much the 'talking heads' express their supposed outrage at the violence they 'never intended.'

Intended or not, the responsibility is there. the responsibility for that shooting and the dozens of others which preceded it lie with those radicals in the pro-life movement, those extremists who moved to suppress the Homeland Security report warning of just this kind of occurrence, those who engage in rhetoric of hate and terrorism.

That's why I posted it, not now or ever for people who hold opinions different from my own, but who, as you said, behave like logical adults, with respect and caring. As I said, if everyone who disagreed with someone on any issue behaved like that - wow - what a wonderful world! :)

[samuraiartguy.livejournal.com]

Wheee! Rant on, Sistah.

If anyone cared to call one of my best college friends a murderer for aborting the baby that her then-boyfriend's best friend put in her, having abducted, imprisoned and repeatedly raped her at gunpoint ... I'd have gladly taken off his hateful ignorant head with a katana... despite my peaceable Zen shaman nature.

I am not a fan of Abortion as primary brith control, and issue that could be 99% solved by CONTRACEPTIVE freedom and REAL-WORLD sex ed. But that said, my big Big BIG issue with the pro-lifers is that they would make their personal narrow religious views the law of the land, as opposed to keeping the practice legal, and allowing women to make their own choices about their own bodies. Be it carry every embyo to term, or choosing to brng only wanted children into this world, as is their own individual belief.

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

I am not a fan of Abortion as primary brith control, and issue that could be 99% solved by CONTRACEPTIVE freedom and REAL-WORLD sex ed.

Can I get a frakkin' A-men! It has always boggled my mind that the fiercest opponents of abortion seem to so often be the fiercest opponents of BC & SexEd....

Then again, that's the biblical partiarchy for you... I still think that's the same reason they also tend to be creationist - how else can you justify male dominion over procreation, unless you have a male creator?

[thecolorsanctum.livejournal.com]

Good for you!

I happen to find that attitude incredibly offensive and indefensible, as well.

Would you mind if I friend you?

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

Not at all, please do! Mind if I add you back? :)

[thecolorsanctum.livejournal.com]

Please do, I think that would be lovely.

May I ask where you are in KY? My parents are both originally from there and now retired down there - about 1-2 hrs south of Lexington. It's such a pretty state, so green and lush.

[thecolorsanctum.livejournal.com]

Also, must thank you for the "virtual pet" idea.

I'm the lucky caretaker of a virtual turtle named Shakespeare! *grin*

I just read below from your lj:

"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure - that is all that agnosticism means. - Clarence Darrow, Scopes trial, 1925"

I am an agnostic myself. It just seems sensible, really. I have an idea of what I'd like the grand scheme of things to be - but how can I know?